Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

04/14/2022 08:00 AM House TRIBAL AFFAIRS

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08:36:51 AM Start
08:37:29 AM Presentation: Tribal Compacting
09:06:25 AM SB34
09:53:12 AM Adjourn
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          SB 34-STATE-TRIBAL EDUCATION COMPACT SCHOOLS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:06:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be  CS  FOR SENATE  BILL  NO.  34(JUD),  "An  Act relating  to  a                                                               
demonstration   state-tribal  education   compact;  relating   to                                                               
demonstration   state-tribal  education   compact  schools;   and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:06:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY  STEVENS, Alaska State Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
as prime  sponsor, presented  CSSB 34(JUD).   He  first clarified                                                               
that   the   discussion   relates    to   a   state/tribal,   not                                                               
federal/tribal relationship.   He  indicated this topic  had been                                                               
brought up  several years ago, with  the last focus being  on how                                                               
to  make  tribal   education  work  in  Alaska.     The  proposed                                                               
legislation would begin  this process.  He  encouraged looking at                                                               
this as  a stepping  stone to negotiations  between the  State of                                                               
Alaska, the  Department of Education  (DEED), school  boards, and                                                               
tribal entities.   He acknowledged  that originally, "we  bit off                                                               
more than we  could chew," so the version of  the bill before the                                                               
committee   has   been   reduced   considerably   to   focus   on                                                               
negotiations.   He said CSSB  34(JUD) proposes  that negotiations                                                               
begin  immediately.   He  said compacting  is  an opportunity  to                                                               
include  Alaska Native  culture, history,  and languages  "into a                                                               
process that really  works."  It would involve all  students.  He                                                               
distinguished  the   difference  between  teaching   culture  and                                                               
teaching "true culture."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS would  direct  tribes and  DEED  to draft  model                                                               
legislation  in 2026.    He indicated  that  Natasha [Singh]  had                                                               
presented  that tribes  need to  be  given more  funding, and  he                                                               
added that  the state and  DEED also need  to be involved  in the                                                               
process.  He stated his  assumption that "sophisticated teachers"                                                               
would  be  involved, and  emphasized  there  is no  intention  of                                                               
"dumbing  education down."   He  speculated that  there would  be                                                               
collective bargaining.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:13:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, on  behalf of Senator Stevens, prime                                                               
sponsor of CSSB  34(JUD), echoed the comments  of Senator Stevens                                                               
regarding the  path the  bill had  taken thus far  to a  point of                                                               
allowing the  parties involved to  come up  with a draft  for the                                                               
legislature to consider at a later time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:15:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOEL  ISAAK, Project  Coordinator/Tribal  Liaison, Department  of                                                               
Education and Early  Development, as part of the  hearing on CSSB
34(JUD),  gave a  presentation,  titled  "State Tribal  Education                                                               
Compacting  Overview"  [hard  copy   included  in  the  committee                                                               
packet].    He directed  attention  to  slide  2, which  read  as                                                               
follows  [original  punctuation  provided, with  some  formatting                                                               
changes]:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     OUR MISSION                                                                                                                
     ?An excellent education for every student every day.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     OUR PURPOSE                                                                                                                
      ?DEED exists to provide information, resources, and                                                                       
     leadership to support an excellent education for every                                                                     
     student every day.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     OUR VISION                                                                                                                 
     ?All  students  will  succeed in  their  education  and                                                                    
     work,  shape   worthwhile  and  satisfying   lives  for                                                                    
     themselves, exemplify  the best values of  society, and                                                                    
     be effective in improving  the character and quality of                                                                    
     the world about them.                                                                                                      
       Alaska Statute 14.03.015                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK said he thinks compacting  is a way to carry out DEED's                                                               
mission, vision,  and purpose.   He continued  to slide  3, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Our Strategic Priorities:                                                                                                  
     Alaska's Education Challenge                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Five Shared Priorities:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     1. Support all  students to read at grade  level by the                                                                    
     end of third grade                                                                                                         
     2. Increase career,  technical, and culturally relevant                                                                    
     education to meet student and workforce needs                                                                              
     3.  Close the  achievement  gap  by ensuring  equitable                                                                    
     educational rigor and resources                                                                                            
     4.  Prepare, attract,  and  retain effective  education                                                                    
     professionals                                                                                                              
     5.  Improve  the  safety  and  well-being  of  students                                                                    
     through    school     partnerships    with    families,                                                                    
     communities, and tribes                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK  said compacting  touches upon all  five of  the shared                                                               
priorities.  He  turned next to the strategic  priority, shown on                                                               
slide 4, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Education Challenge State Board Priority                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Strategic Priority:                                                                                                        
     Inspire Tribal  and Community Ownership  of Educational                                                                    
     Excellence                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Adopted Priority:                                                                                                          
     Self-Governance  Compacting:  Create   the  option  for                                                                    
     selfgovernance  [sic] compacting  for  the delivery  of                                                                    
     education  between the  State of  Alaska and  Tribes or                                                                    
     tribally-empowered Alaska Native organizations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK said this process  involved thousands of people and was                                                               
adopted by the  State Board of Education.  He  turned to slide 5,                                                               
titled "State  Board of  Education Tribal  Compacting Committee,"                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     State Board of Education Tribal Compacting Committee                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Committee Mission Statement:                                                                                               
    Support   Tribal   Compacting    by   identifying   and                                                                     
       developing regulations that support the efforts of                                                                       
     Tribes throughout Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Education Challenge Strategic Priority:                                                                           
        Close the achievement gap by ensuring equitable                                                                         
     educational rigor and resources.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ISAAK explained  that the  mission statement  on slide  5 is                                                               
that of  the committee formed  by the State of  Washington, which                                                               
is the  only state currently  compacting for K-12 education.   He                                                               
said  DEED  is  considering  regulations   that  will  work  when                                                               
compacting comes to fruition.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:21:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK covered slide 6,  "Compacting in Education," which read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ? Government to Government Agreement                                                                                       
     ? Tribes as Political Subdivision                                                                                          
     ? Self-Determination                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ISAAK  proceeded  to  slide   7,  "Partnership  With  Alaska                                                               
Federation  of   Natives,"  which   read  as   follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         ? Identify relevant federal and state laws and                                                                         
     regulations                                                                                                                
        ? Compile relevant material related to educating                                                                        
     Alaska Native students                                                                                                     
     ? Engage with Alaska Native leaders and subject matter                                                                     
     experts on educational compacting options                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK said  DEED has issued a grant to  the Alaska Federation                                                               
of Natives  (AFN), and that  listed on slide  7 are the  tasks of                                                               
AFN.  In response to Chair Zulkosky,  he said it was a $1 million                                                               
grant that originated from COVID-19 relief funds.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:23:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK  talked about engaging  with Alaska Native  leaders and                                                               
subject matter experts on compacting  options.  He shared that he                                                               
has  cold  called every  single  tribe  in  the state  to  update                                                               
various contact  information.  He spoke  about public engagement,                                                               
speaking with Alaska Native grandmothers  to learn the importance                                                               
of tribes being  involved.  He underscored that a  tribe does not                                                               
have to be part of AFN to engage in the process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK highlighted the list on  slide 8, which read as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Partnership With Alaska Federation of Natives                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?Design of a comprehensive path forward                                                                                    
      ?Design seminars for educators and administrators on                                                                      
     the why and what of compacting                                                                                             
      ?Participate in discussions with the State of Alaska                                                                      
     and various committees of the Alaska State Legislature                                                                     
     to respond to questions on the final pathway report                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK gave  the link to DEED's compacting web  page, as shown                                                               
on  slide 9,  and he  said  it has  a comment  portal for  public                                                               
feedback.  He  added that DEED is working on  a platform by which                                                               
it will be able to send information  out to people who wish to be                                                               
updated  regarding compacting  efforts  and  tribal education  in                                                               
general.     He  noted  that   slide  10  provides   his  contact                                                               
information, as  well as that of  Kollette Schroeder, Legislative                                                               
Liaison for DEED.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK noted that DEED has  issued another grant to Cook Inlet                                                               
Tribal  Council (CITC),  which  is  visualizing and  articulating                                                               
what indigenous education models look  like around the state.  He                                                               
emphasized the important of partnership  with tribes to determine                                                               
what success  looks like in a  tribal compacted school.   He said                                                               
this is another means from  which DEED can elicit tribal feedback                                                               
"in a way that is  approachable and understandable."  In response                                                               
to Chair Zulkosky,  he said he would need to  find out the amount                                                               
of the  CITC grant  funding, but  he confirmed  it was  also from                                                               
COVID-19  relief funds.   In  response to  a follow-up  question,                                                               
regarding the capacity in DEED for  compacting, he said this is a                                                               
new endeavor  for the department,  which is why the  Alaska State                                                               
Board  of  Education  created  a  committee.    He  talked  about                                                               
building an  historical legal framework  and conferring  with the                                                               
State of Washington, as well as other states.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:34:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY observed  that CSSB  34(JUD) identifies  that the                                                               
Alaska State  Board of  Education "would  negotiate the  terms of                                                               
the demonstration compact."  She asked what that would entail.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK  responded that the anticipated  negotiation components                                                               
would  include   "operational  topics,"  such  as   a  collective                                                               
bargaining   unit,  building   use,  transportation,   attendance                                                               
records, and data  driven points - services that  are rendered to                                                               
help support education.  He  envisioned the department delivering                                                               
this information  to tribes so  that they would have  a framework                                                               
from which  to build [a  compact].   He talked about  there being                                                               
variables  in  answers depending  on  areas  of  the state.    He                                                               
emphasized the importance  of not stifling the view  of tribes in                                                               
terms  of their  determined needs,  and to  ensure that  does not                                                               
happen  by  supporting  an  ongoing conversation  as  part  of  a                                                               
partnership.    Issues yet  unknown  will  surface through  these                                                               
conversations, he remarked.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:39:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  asked Mr.  Isaak  how  DEED anticipates  a  zero                                                               
fiscal  note to  undertake "complicated  legal preparation  for a                                                               
demonstration  project"  relating  to  tribal  compacting,  while                                                               
tribes  "are   already  underwriting   the  state's   success  by                                                               
volunteering their own hours, their  own salaries, in essentially                                                               
putting forward expertise on the topic."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ISAAK responded  that  the department  has  the capacity  to                                                               
absorb the fiscal impact of CSSB 34(JUD).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:43:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY, speaking  from her experience as  co-chair of the                                                               
House Health and Social Services  Standing Committee and from the                                                               
viewpoint of work  done in the House Special  Committee on Tribal                                                               
Affairs  toward  understanding  state and  tribal  compacting  in                                                               
Alaska, stated the following:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Because that  compact has been essentially  flat funded                                                                    
     since inception, tribes  have been a bit  in a stagnant                                                                    
     position with respect  to being in a  place of constant                                                                    
     implementation and looking to  build out capacity.  And                                                                    
     while that speaks to ...  the direct funding agreement,                                                                    
     as  it  relates  to  the  compact,  without  additional                                                                    
     support to  the Office  of Children's Services  for the                                                                    
     implementation of  that work, there's  been a bit  of a                                                                    
     tricky cycle  since signage of  that compact  where ...                                                                    
      they haven't been able to move the needle in the way                                                                      
     that it's been envisioned.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  advised that  in order  to set  up tribes  in the                                                               
state  for  success in  pursuing  this  endeavor, the  department                                                               
needs  to question  requiring tribes  to consistently  underwrite                                                               
the  state's efforts  in addressing  disparities of  state-funded                                                               
programs.    She  explained  that  while  these  constitutionally                                                               
required  programs  are  funded  by the  state,  without  putting                                                               
forward "a meaningful potential  fiscal investment in the pursuit                                                               
of this work,"  the cost is shifted to the  tribes, "because they                                                               
would be engaging in their  best interests."  Chair Zulkosky said                                                               
she  respects that  the state  has looked  at the  opportunity to                                                               
leverage federal/tribal resources but  emphasized that it becomes                                                               
problematic when  the state consistently  places its  burden onto                                                               
tribes.    She cautioned  against  allowing  CSSB 34(JUD)  to  go                                                               
unfunded,  because  she  opined  it   has  the  potential  to  be                                                               
transformative.     She   stated,   "I  don't   think  it's   the                                                               
constitutional  obligation   of  the   tribes  to   provide  that                                                               
education, but instead  the state."  She encouraged  DEED to take                                                               
a hard look  at its potential fiscal note and  what it's prepared                                                               
to invest in  to ensure that "this is done  right for the benefit                                                               
of all Alaska students."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:47:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  asked  Mr.   Isaak  about  any  lessons  or                                                               
insights  he might  have gained  from the  State of  Washington's                                                               
model.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ISAAK  responded that the  State of Washington began  a pilot                                                               
program with  tribes that expressed readiness,  with annual "look                                                               
backs" for six  years, and a review at the  end of the seven-year                                                               
pilot, at  which time effort was  made to bring every  tribe into                                                               
the compact.   He said CSSB 34(JUD) would allow  for reviews.  He                                                               
said he looked at Title  14 when observing Washington's plan, and                                                               
that  state's mechanisms  for funding  education  and system  for                                                               
reporting  are similar  to that  of  Alaska.   One difference  to                                                               
consider is  that the  State of Washington  deals with  tribes on                                                               
reservations, whereas  Alaska does  not.  He  said the  tribes in                                                               
Alaska  have   federal  trust   responsibility,  but   there  are                                                               
"different  legal pieces"  with  Alaska Native  tribes than  with                                                               
tribes in the Lower 48, in terms of education.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:51:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR expressed that Mr. Isaak's comments were                                                                    
encouraging, and she concurred with Chair Zulkosky's comments                                                                   
about ensuring the necessary resources for a compact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:52:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS thanked the bill sponsor and DEED for                                                                     
working on this issue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:52:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY expressed her appreciation to the bill sponsor.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:52:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced that CSSB 34(JUD) was held over.